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cÖkœ : Avcbvi Mí-Dcb¨v‡m G †`‡ki gyw³hy× Ab¨Zg ¸i“Z¡c~Y© welq| GQvovI gyw³hy× Ges gyw³‡hv×v, knx` eyw×Rxex‡`i Ici A‡bK KvR K‡i‡Qb AvcwbÑ wb‡R cÖZ¨ÿfv‡e gyw³hy‡× Ask wb‡q‡Qb?
DËi : bvbvb mxgve×Zv Avi mvsmvwiK wcQyUv‡bi Kvi‡Y mivmwi gyw³hy‡× Ask wb‡Z cvwiwb| Avgvi eo †g‡qi eqm ZLb GK eQi| cvwievwiK RwUjZv Avi AvcbRb‡`i‡K fqven AwbðqZvi gy‡L †Q‡o hvIqvi g‡Zv mvnm bv nIqvqt Avm‡j wcQyUvb AviwK| Rxe‡bi gvqvi eÜbUvB wcQyUvb n‡q `uvwo‡qwQj| Z‡e gyw³hy× PjvKv‡j AeY©bxq Kó †fvM K‡iwQjvg, Avgvi †jLvq †m¸‡jv G‡m‡Q|
cÖkœ : GB †h wcQyUvb‡K Gov‡Z bv †c‡i, Rxe‡i gvqvi eÜb‡K A‡cÿvK…Z †ewk g~j¨ w`‡q †`‡ki wecbœ mg‡q hy‡× bv hvIqvÑ G‡K wK fxi“Zv ej‡ev?
DËi : GK ai‡bi fxi“Zv †Zv e‡UB| GK ai‡bi cjvqbciZv|
cÖkœ : Avcwb †Zv ZLb c~Y© cÖvß eq¯‹|
DËi : nu¨v, Avgvi eqm ZLb wZwik eQi| G mgq Avgvi PvB‡Z A‡bK Kg eqmx Zi“Y ev hyeKiv †hgb hy‡× †M‡Q, Avgvi †P‡q A‡bK eqmx msmvix ev †cÖŠp †jv‡KivI hy‡× †M‡Qb, mivmwi hy× K‡i‡Qb| Avwg cvwiwb|
cÖkœ : Aby‡kvPbv nq?
DËi : Aby‡kvPbv †Zv nqB| gyw³hy×-cieZ©xKv‡j †mB Aby‡kvPbvi wbe„wË nqwb e‡jB Avwg Avgvi Ae¯’vb †_‡K hLbB h‡ZvUv m¤¢e n‡q‡Q gyw³hy× wb‡q, gyw³‡hv×v‡`i wb‡q KvR K‡iwQ| GKUv e¨vcvi g‡b †i‡LvÑ GKRb gvby‡li †fZ‡i hw` †`k‡cÖg _v‡K, Avi †`‡ki Wv‡K †m hw` †Kv‡bv Kvi‡Y mgqg‡Zv mvov w`‡Z bv cv‡i, Zvi †mB AcviMZvi hš¿YvUv wKš‘ Lye Mfxi nq| AcÖKvk¨ wKš‘ Lye Zxeª hš¿Yv| Z‡e †fZ‡ii †evaUv hw` KvR K‡i, mgq Ges my‡hvM G‡j Zv wKš‘ ù~wiZ nq| Avgvi †ejvq †mUv n‡qwQj e‡j Avwg wek¦vm Kwi|
cÖkœ : Kg©Rxeb †Zv ïi“ K‡iwQ‡jb gyw³hy‡×i Av‡MB?
DËi : nu¨v, gyw³hy× PjvKv‡j Avwg K…wl Dbœqb e¨vs‡K PvKwi KiZvg| ILv‡b †gvU PvKwiKvj †mvqv `yB eQiÑ G mgqUv Avgvi Rxe‡bi GKUv AcPq| c‡i evsjv GKv‡Wgx‡Z †hvM †`B 1972 mv‡j| Gici †_‡KB Avgvi Kv‡Ri MwZ, †jLv‡jwLi MwZ `ª“Z nq| 1973-G cÖKvwkZ Avgvi wØZxq M‡íi eB Aš—‡i wfbœ cyi“l| 1974-G bvUK ˆZj msKU, 1975-G gyw³hy× welqK Dcb¨vm LuvPvq, 1977-G wkï-wK‡kvi‡`i Rb¨ †jLv †Mvjv‡ci Rb¥, 1978-G †Mvjvc †Mvjvc BZ¨vw`| 1980 mvj †_‡K Avgvi KvR I †jLv‡jwLi MwZ `ª“ZZi nq| G mgqUv Avgvi m„wókxjZvi †ÿ‡Î GKwU ¸i“Z¡c~Y© euvK e`‡ji mgq, Gi m~Pbv N‡U hLb KvRx gbRy‡i gIjv evsjv GKv‡Wgxi gnvcwiPvjK n‡q G‡jb| Avwg wb‡R‡K fvM¨evb g‡b Kwi †h GKv‡Wgxi gnvcwiPvjK gbRy‡i gIjv gyw³hy× I gyw³‡hv×v‡`i wb‡q KvR¸‡jv Avgv‡K Kivi my‡hvM w`‡qwQ‡jb| G ch©v‡q †h D‡jøL‡hvM¨ KvR¸‡jv Avwg Kwi †m¸‡jv n‡”Q knx` eyw×Rxex ¯§„wZ cÖ`k©bx, hv cÖwZeQi 14-16 wW‡m¤^i ch©š— Pj‡Zv evsjv GKv‡Wgx‡Z, KL‡bv KL‡bv AvMÖnx `k©K I AbymwÜrmy e¨w³e‡M©i Aby‡iv‡a Av‡iv K‡qKw`b K‡i evov‡ZI n‡q‡Q, m¤úv`bv K‡iwQ knx` eyw×Rxex †KvlMÖš’ hv 1985 mv‡j cÖKvk K‡i‡Q evsjv GKv‡Wgx, knx` eyw×Rxex ¯§viKMÖš’ BZ¨vw`|
cÖkœ : knx` eyw×Rxex‡`i ¯§„wZ cÖ`k©bx †Zv Gi c‡iI `xN©mgq evsjv GKv‡Wgxi Av‡qvR‡bB n‡Zv, hÏyi Rvwb AvcbviB ZË¡veav‡b, GLb †mUv Avi evsjv GKv‡Wgx‡Z †bBÑ?
DËi : 1982 mv‡j eyw×Rxex ¯§„wZ cÖ`k©bx ïi“ Kwi Avgiv, evsjv GKv‡Wgx‡Z| wVKB e‡j‡Qv, GUvi m¤ú~Y© ZË¡veav‡bi `vwqZ¡ wQj AvgviB, Avgvi m‡½ Lye Avš—wiKfv‡e mn‡hvwMZv K‡iwQ‡jb Avgvi ZrKvjxb mnKg©x †gvZvnvi †nv‡mb| Ab¨iv †Zv Awdwmqvjfv‡e wewfbœiKg `vwq‡Z¡ wQjB, Z‡e †gvZvnv‡ii K_v we‡klfv‡e bv ej‡jB bq| GB cÖ`k©bx †gvUvgywU Ae¨vnZfv‡e P‡jwQj 1992-93 mvj ch©š—| †kl w`‡K †Zv `yÕwZb eQi Zzwg wb‡RI G cÖ`k©bx‡Z `vwqZ¡ cvjb K‡i‡Qv|
cÖkœ : Avwg ZLb evsjv GKv‡Wgx‡Z m`¨ PvKwi‡Z †hvM w`‡qwQ| G‡Zv Rywbqi GKRb Kg©KZ©v wn‡m‡e †m cÖ`k©bx‡Z KvR Kivi my‡hvM cvIqvUv‡K AvwgI †mŠfvM¨ e‡j g‡b Kwi| KviY QvÎKvj †_‡KB Avwg †m Kg©hÁ †`L‡Z †hZvg cÖej AvMÖ‡n| c‡i GKv‡Wgx‡Z PvKwi n‡j GB `vwqZ¡Uv †c‡q Lye Avb‡›`i m‡½ KvR K‡iwQ| GLb cÖ`k©bxwU evsjv GKv‡Wgx‡Z †bB, ¯§viK`ªe¨¸‡jvI bv?
DËi : GUv‡KI Avwg GKUv AcPq ej‡ev| KviY 1982 mvj †_‡K cÖ`k©bxwU ïi“ Kivi A‡bK Av‡M †_‡K Avgiv eû K‡ó, eû Drm †_‡K knx` eyw×Rxex‡`i cwievi AvZ¥xq-¯^Rb‡`i Aby‡iva K‡i Zv‡`i (k.ey.) e¨envh© AmsL¨ ¯§viK`ªe¨vw` msMÖn Kwi| cÖwZ eQiB GB¸‡jvi m‡½ bZzb msM„nxZ wKQy wKQy ms‡hvwRZ n‡Zv| gvby‡li G¸‡jv †`Lvi, Rvbvi AvMÖnI wQj cÖej| cÖwZ eQi wZb w`be¨vcx GB cÖ`k©bx‡Z cÖPzi †jvK mgvMg n‡Zv, cÖwZeviB Af~Zc~e© mvov †c‡qwQ Avgiv mvaviY gvbyl I myaxmgv‡Ri KvQ †_‡K| wKš‘ GK mgq Rvbv hvq †hÑ GwU evsjv GKv‡Wgx bq, RvZxq Rv`yN‡ii Kv‡Ri AvIZvq c‡o| myZivs knx` eyw×Rxex‡`i ¯§viK-e¯‘¸‡jv Zz‡j †`qv n‡jv RvZxq Rv`yN‡ii ZË¡veav‡b| Z‡e Rv`yNi `vwqZ¡ wb‡qwQj wbw`©ó wKQy msL¨K ¯§vi‡Ki, me¸‡jvi bq| evwK A‡bK wRwbl wQj evsjv GKv‡Wgx‡Z| †h‡nZz cÖ`k©bxwU eÜ n‡q hvq, Avi †m¸‡jv memgq msiÿ‡Yi e¨e¯’v GKv‡Wgx‡Z †bBÑ Avgiv †ewkifvM wRwbl cÖ`k©bxi Av‡M msMÖn K‡i G‡b c‡i Avevi Zv‡`i cwiev‡ii Kv‡Q †diZ cvVvZvg, Gm‡ei †ek wKQy †kl w`‡K eyw×Rxex cwiev‡ii m`m¨iv wdwi‡q wb‡qI hvqwb| d‡j Rv`yN‡ii `vwq‡Z¡ wKQy ¯§viK wb‡q hvIqvi ci evwK¸‡jv Lye h‡Zœ wQjÑ ejv hv‡e bv| A‡bK g~j¨evb ¯§viK bó n‡q‡Q|
cÖkœ : GLb †Zv Avi msiwÿZ¸‡jvI ZLbKvi g‡Zv Rbmg‡ÿ Avbv nq bv, cÖwZeQi cÖ`k©bx‡Z †hgb we‡kl AvMÖ‡n wecyj RbmgvMg n‡Zvt?
DËi : RvZxq Rv`yN‡ii ZË¡veav‡b Av‡Q| wbqgg‡Zv|
cÖkœ : Avcbvi †jLK-m¤úv`K Rxe‡bi we‡kl ¸i“Z¡c~Y© cÖKvkbv Ô¯§„wZ 1971Õ cÖm‡½ AvmwQ Gevi| GB eB¸‡jvi †jLKiv †Zv †KDB †ckv`vi †jLK bb?
DËi : eB¸‡jv‡Z Aš—fy©³ iPbv¸‡jv Avm‡j mZ¨ Kvwnbx| Mí-Dcb¨v‡mi PvB‡ZI wewPwÎ, we¯§qKi I gg©š‘` mZ¨ NUbvi weeiY| 1971-Gi knx` gyw³‡hv×v‡`i †eu‡P _vKv me‡P‡q NwbôRb‡K Lyu‡R †ei K‡i Zv‡`i KvQ †_‡K, Zv‡`iB fv‡l¨ weeiY¸‡jv, ejv hvq, wjwL‡q Avbv n‡q‡Q| Zviv Zv‡`i †Pv‡Li mvg‡b NUv, wb‡Ri Rxeb w`‡q AwfÁZv w`‡q AR©b Kiv Amn¨ †e`bvi Kvwnbx wee„Z K‡i‡Qb, Aÿ‡i Aÿ‡i mvwR‡q‡Qb Zxeª-Mfxi hš¿Yvi K_vgvjv| GB †jLK‡`i g‡a¨ Lye weij msL¨K `yGKRb †ckv`vi †jLK, wKš‘ ZvivI GB eB‡qi †jLvwU wj‡L‡Qb Rxe‡bi AwfÁZvqÑ Zv‡`i AvcbRb‡`i nviv‡bvi ev¯—e wPÎ wn‡m‡eB| Avi evwK cÖvq mK‡jB e¨vKi‡Yi msÁvg‡Z ÔA-†jLKÕ| †KD †KD †Zv cÖvwZôvwbK cov‡jLvi evB‡i †Kv‡bvw`bB G RvZxq wKQy wjL‡Z Kjg a‡ibwb|
cÖkœ : Ggb e¨wZµgx gnr KvRwUi cwiKíbv Kxfv‡e n‡jv ej‡eb?
DËi : 1988 mv‡ji NUbv| cÖL¨vZ wkÿvwe`, Kwe I MxwZKvi Avey †nbv †gv¯—dv Kvgvj ZLb evsjv GKv‡Wgxi gnvcwiPvjK| GL‡bv cwi®‹vi g‡b Av‡Q, 6 b‡f¤^i wZwb Avgv‡K †W‡K ej‡jb, knx` eyw×Rxex I gyw³‡hv×v‡`i wbKUZg AvZ¥xq-¯^Rb‡`i †jLv wb‡q GKUv eB Kiv hvq wKbv| 20-25Uv †jLv n‡jB Pj‡e| ZvrÿwYKfv‡e Avwg cÖmv` ¸bjvg, KviY KvRUv mnR bq| GKB m‡½ P¨v‡jÄUv MÖnYI Kijvg| welqUv GKUz wPš—v Kivi ci KvRUvi HwZnvwmK ¸i“Z¡ Abyaveb Kwi| me wgwj‡q ZLb Kx †h GKUv Abyf~wZ n‡jv Avgvi, ej‡Z cvi‡ev bv| gyw³hy‡× cÖZ¨ÿ Ask wb‡Z bv cvivi GKUv Kó †Zv wQjB, Gici knx` eyw×Rxex cÖ`k©bx, knx` eyw×Rxex †KvlMÖš’, ¯§viKMÖš’ m¤úv`bv K‡iwQÑ Avgvi g‡b n‡jv, ZviB avivevwnKZvq GB AmvaviY KvRwU Ki‡Z cvi‡j Gi PvB‡Z Avb‡›`i Avi wKQy n‡Z cv‡i bv| ciw`b mvZB b‡f¤^i wQj miKvwi QywU, 8 b‡f¤^i †_‡K Avwg cÖej AvMÖ‡n †jLv msMÖ‡ni Kv‡R †b‡g cojvg| †jLv †c‡Z cvwi, GiKg m¤¢ve¨ K‡qKRb‡K `ª“Z mg‡q †hvMv‡hvM Kijvg, dj¯^iƒc 19 wW‡m¤^‡ii g‡a¨ Avwg nv‡Z †cjvg 6wU †jLv| IB QqwU †jLv 19 Zvwi‡LB †cÖ‡mi Drcv`b Kg©KZ©v AvdRvj †nv‡m‡bi nv‡Z w`jvg| cy‡iv cvÊywjwc GKm‡½ Qvc‡Z †`qvi Dcvq wQj bv| GKw`‡K †jLv msMÖn n‡”Q, m¤úv`bv KiwQ, Ab¨w`‡K †cÖ‡m P‡j hv‡”Q| Gfv‡e 19 b‡f¤^‡i †cÖ‡m cÖ_g †jLv †`qv ïi“ K‡i 9 wW‡m¤^i Zvwi‡L A_©vr wVK wek w`‡bi gv_vq cÖKvwkZ n‡jv Ô¯§„wZ 1971Õ-Gi cÖ_g LÊ, 39wU †jLv G‡Z Aš—fy©³ wQj| cÖKvkbvi ZvwiL †`qv n‡jv knx` eyw×Rxex w`e‡mi Zvwi‡L, 14 wW‡m¤^i 1988| Gici GB KvRwU Pvwj‡q wM‡qwQ wbie”Qbœfv‡e|
cÖkœ : GB wmwi‡Ri †gvU K‡Zv¸‡jv eB †ewi‡q‡Q?
DËi : †gvU 13wU LÊ †ewi‡q‡Q|
cÖkœ : ¯§„wZ Õ71-Gi cÖwZwU LÊ eQ‡ii GKwU wbw`©ó Zvwi‡L cÖKvwkZ n‡Zv e‡j Rvwb
DËi : nu¨v| cÖwZeQi 14 wW‡m¤^i Zvwi‡L GKwU K‡i LÊ cÖKvwkZ n‡Zv| Z‡e GKwU LÊ, ¯§„wZ Õ71-7g LÊwU ïay wba©vwiZ Zvwi‡L †ei n‡Z cv‡iwb| 1994-Gi 14 wW‡m¤^‡i cÖKvwkZe¨ ¯§„wZ Õ71 mßg LÊwU cÖKvwkZ nq †deª“qvwi 1995-G|
cÖkœ : we‡kl †Kv‡bv KviY wQj Gi †cQ‡b?
DËi : KviY wQj| cÖ‡dmi nvi“b-Di-iwk` ZLb evsjv GKv‡Wgxi gnvcwiPvjK, wZwb wmwiRwU cÖKv‡k AvMÖnx wQ‡jb bv| 6ô LÊwU cÖKv‡ki ci mßn L‡Êi †jLv msMÖ‡ni Rb¨ mswkó e¨w³‡`i m‡½ †hvMv‡hv‡Mi ci Awdmxq Aby‡gv`‡bi Rb¨ gnvcwiPvj‡Ki Kv‡Q dvBj cvVv‡j wZwb `xN©w`b †mUv AvU‡K iv‡Lb| Avwg KvR GwM‡q ivLwQ, wKš‘ AbygwZ Avi †g‡j bv| we¯—vwiZ ejwQ bv, ïay RvbvB †h, GB `xN©m~ÎZv 1994 mv‡ji wW‡m¤^i gvm ch©š— Movq| 13 wW‡m¤^i Zvwi‡L d‡qR Avng` Avgv‡K wR‡Ám K‡ib ciw`b wbqg gvwdK ¯§„wZ Õ71-Gi wba©vwiZ LÊwU †ei“‡”Q wKbv Avwg welqwU Zv‡K RvbvB| ciw`b 14 wW‡m¤^i cÖRb¥ Õ71-Gi KRb m`m¨ Ges †ZŠwn` †iRv b~i, nvi“b-Di-iwk‡`i Kv‡Q G m¤ú‡K© Rvb‡Z PvB‡j wZwb mg¯— `vwqZ¡ Avgvi Nv‡o Pvwc‡q †`b| wKš‘ cÖvgvY¨ dvBj KvMRcÎ BZ¨vw` _vKvq G e¨vcv‡i Zvi AbvMÖ‡ni welqwU ¯úó n‡q hvq| cÖRb¥ Õ71 I †ZŠwn` †iRv b~i cÖgyL Zxeª cÖwZev` I †ÿvf cÖKvk K‡ib| d‡j gnvcwiPvjK eva¨ n‡q cÖwZkÖ“wZ †`bÑ AvRB (A_©vr 14 wW‡m¤^i) knx` eyw×Rxex w`e‡mi Abyôv‡b †NvlYv †`‡eb †h, AvMvgx †deª“qvwi Õ95-Gi GKz‡ki eB †gjvq ¯§„wZ 1971 mßg LÊ cÖKvwkZ n‡e| wKš‘ cÖwZkÖ“wZ Abyhvqx wZwb †mw`b †m †NvlYv †`bwb, Gici cÖwZeQ‡ii g‡Zv †m eQ‡ii wW‡m¤^‡ii †kl mßv‡n GKv‡Wgxi †h evwl©K mvaviY mfv nq, Zv‡Z myaxgnj †_‡K cÖKvkbvwU m¤ú‡K© †Rviv‡jv cÖkœ DV‡eÑ G Z_¨ Rvb‡Z cv‡ib gnvcwiPvjK| d‡j evwl©K mvaviY mfv (GwRGg)-i Av‡Mi w`b wjwLZ AbygwZ †`b| ¯§„wZ 1971 wmwiRwU wZwb eÜ K‡i w`‡Z †P‡qwQ‡jb| †kl ch©š— cv‡ibwb| mßg LÊwU wejw¤^Z n‡jI cÖKvwkZ nq|
cÖkœ : evwK LÊ¸‡jv †Zv wVKg‡ZvB †ei n‡qwQj? cÖwZeQi 14 wW‡m¤^‡i?
DËi : nu¨v| †gvU †Z‡ivwU LÊ, IB mßg LÊwU Qvov me¸‡jvB cÖwZeQ‡ii 14 wW‡m¤^i| 1999 mvj ch©š— GKv‡Wgx‡Z Avgvi PvKwiKvj Gig‡a¨ †Zv Ae¨vnZ wQjB, Avgvi Aemi MÖn‡Yi ciI `y‡Uv LÊ †ewi‡q‡Q Avgvi m¤úv`bvq| ZrKvjxb gnvcwiPvjK ˆmq` Av‡bvqvi †nv‡mb KvRwU Ae¨vnZ iv‡Lb|
cÖkœ : †jLK wn‡m‡e A‡bK cyi¯‹vi Ges m¤§vbbv jvf K‡i‡Qb| Avgiv Rvwb, Avcbvi cÖvß cyi¯‹v‡ii g‡a¨ i‡q‡Q evsjv GKv‡Wgx cyi¯‹vi, †bay kvn mvwnZ¨ cyi¯‹vi, ûgvqyb Kvw`i cyi¯‹vi, AMÖYx e¨vsK cyi¯‹vi BZ¨vw`| Av‡iv A‡bK cyi¯‹vi Avcbvi AR©‡bi ZvwjKvq Av‡QÑ
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cÖkœ : †jLv‡jwLi myev‡` cÖ_gevi cyi¯‹…Z nIqvi ci Avcbvi m„wókxjZvq †Kv‡bv cwieZ©b N‡UwQj?
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cÖkœ : †jLK wn‡m‡e AvZ¥wek¦vmI evovq wbðqB|
DËi : Aek¨B| Z‡e Rv‡bvÑ †jLK wn‡m‡e Avwg †hiKg AvZ¥wek¦vm ivwL, Zv‡Z Av‡iv A‡bK †ewk †jLv Avgvi DwPZ wQj| K‡Zv KvR Kivi Av‡Q, K‡e †h Ki‡Z cvi‡ev!
cÖkœ : cyi¯‹vi wK GKRb †jLK‡K AwaKZi `vwqZ¡kxj K‡i?
DËi : hw` wZwb cÖK…Z †jLK nb ¯^xK…wZ Zv‡K Avbw›`Z Ki‡Z cv‡i, wKš‘ cyi¯‹viB Zv‡K `vwqZ¡kxj K‡iÑ ejv hv‡e bv| KviY, `vwqZ¡‡eva Av‡Q ev wQj e‡jB †Zv wZwb KvRwU K‡i‡Qb, A_©vr wj‡L‡Qb hv Zv‡K cyi¯‹vi AR©‡b mnvqZv K‡i‡Q| Aek¨ `vwqZ¡ A‡cÿvK…Z ev‡o ej‡Z cv‡iv| †h‡nZz cyi¯‹vi cÖvwßi d‡j Zvi cÖwZ gvby‡li cÖZ¨vkv †e‡o hvq| GB A‡_© †jL‡Ki `vwqZ¡‡eva wKQyUv mswkó n‡q c‡o| wKš‘ whwb cÖK…Z †jLK, wZwb ¯^xK…wZ ev cyi¯‹v‡ii cÖZ¨vkvq †j‡Lb bv Ges cyi¯‹vi cvIqv bv cvIqvUv Zvi †jLK mËvq Lye †ewk wKQy †hvM-we‡qvM NUvq bv|
cÖkœ : †jLK‡`i, we‡kl K‡i Zi“Y †jLK‡`i cÖwkÿY †`qv m¤ú‡K© Avcbvi AwfgZ Kx? G cÖm‡½ evsjv GKv‡Wgxi Zi“Y †jLK cÖK‡íi K_v ej‡Z PvBwQÑ
DËi : cÖwkÿY w`‡q KvD‡K †jLK evbv‡bv hvq bv| GKRb gvbyl Zvi cÖK…wZMZ m„RbkxjZvi Kvi‡Y me gvby‡li gvSLv‡b †_‡KI Avjv`v GKRb n‡q I‡Vb| wKš‘ wKQy gvbyl‡K m„Rbkxj evbv‡bv ev K¬vm Kwi‡q †jLK evbv‡bvi †Kv‡bv cÖwkÿY ev †Uªwbs n‡Z cv‡i bv| GUv nq bv| Z‡e K‡Zv¸‡jv wjUv‡iwi wUªU‡g›U, †jLvi ixwZbxwZ, Avw½KÑ Gme †ÿ‡Î DrK‡l©i w`K wb‡`©kbv †`qv †h‡Z cv‡i| GUv GKRb gvbyl‡K Zvi m„wói †ÿ‡Î mnvqZv Ki‡Z cv‡i|
cÖkœ : hw` gvbylwUi b~¨bZg m„wókxjZv _v‡KÑ
DËi : Zv †Zv e‡UB| m„RbÿgZv †Zv Kv‡iv Ici Av‡ivc Kiv m¤¢e bq| Zzwg KvD‡K nvZ a‡i `uvo Kwi‡q w`‡Z cv‡iv, wKš‘ nuvUvi `vwqZ¡ Zvi wb‡Ri| Zzwg Zv‡K c_ †`wL‡q w`‡j †m c‡_ GwM‡q hvIqvi `vwqZ¡ I mÿgZvi e¨vcviwU Zvi| G ai‡bi K¬vm ev IqvK©k‡ci f~wgKv n‡”Q, m„Rbkxj Zi“Y-Zi“Yx‡K c~e©m~wi †jLKM‡Yi iPbv‰kjx, Zvi µgweKvk, cvwicvwk¦©K mgvR I mg‡qi DËvc‡K iƒcvwqZKi‡Yi KzkjZvÑ GgbwK wewfbœ †jL‡Ki Rxeb msMÖv‡gi wel‡q AbymiYxq `„óvš—¸‡jvi m‡½ cwiwPZ Kiv‡bv, c~e©m~wi‡`i gnr iPbvejxi m‡½ †hvMm~Î ˆZwi Kiv, †`kR I wek¦ mvwnZ¨ m¤^‡Ü mg¨K aviYv †`qvÑ GB †Zv| KvD‡K †jLK evwb‡q †`qv Am¤¢e|
cÖkœ : MíKvi wn‡m‡e Avcbvi
DËi : Av‡MB e‡jwQ, Avwg QvÎ _vKvKv‡jB wm‡b cwÎKv wPÎvjx‡Z cvU©UvBg PvKwi KiZvg| 1962 mv‡j wPÎvjx cwÎKvq Mí Qvcvi wm×vš— nq| G KvM‡R Qvcv nIqv cÖ_g MíwUi bvg ÔRvwb©ÕÑ †jLK dRj kvnveyÏxb| wØZxq MíwU wQj Avgvi, bvg ÔwcwQ‡q †Mj e‡jBÕ| NUbv n‡jv, wPÎvjx‡Z Mí Qvcvi wm×v‡š—i m‡½ m‡½B ˆmq` nK fvB Avgv‡K ej‡jbÑ ikx`, Zzwg Mí wjL‡e| Avwg gnvDrmv‡n Mí GKUv w`jvg| cÖ_g MíUv evwZj| Qvcv n‡jv bv| wØZxq Mí w`jvg| evwZj| Zey `‡g bv wM‡q Z…Zxqevi Av‡iKwU Mí w`jvg, wKš‘ Z‡Zvw`‡b Avgvi gvbwmK Ae¯’v †Kgb ch©v‡q †cuŠ‡Q‡Q Av›`vR Ki‡Z cv‡ivÑ cÖvq †Ku‡` †djvi g‡Zv Ae¯’v| G mgq Z…Zxq MíwU Qvcv n‡jv| Zvici nK fvB (ˆmq` kvgmyj nK) †h K_v KqwU Avgv‡K ej‡jb, †mB K_v¸‡jvi ¸i“Z¡ w`‡jv Acwimxg| K_v¸‡jv Avwg Avgvi eB‡q †Q‡c w`‡qwQ|
[cvVK, gyw`ªZ fvl¨wU GLv‡b Zz‡j aiv n‡jv]
cÖkœ : Avcwb †Zv `xN©w`b evsjv GKv‡Wgxi ˆÎgvwmK mvwnZ¨ mvgwqKx ÔDËivwaKviÕ-Gi wbe©vnx m¤úv`K wQ‡jb| cwÎKvwU‡K †KD †KD VvÆv K‡i ÔAvÛviMÖvDÛÕ cwÎKv e‡j †h‡nZz msMÖn Ki‡Z PvB‡j mn‡RB cvIqv hvq bvt.
DËi : Gi KviY cwÎKvwU evRviRvZKi‡Yi c×wZ, hv‡Z mxgve×Zv i‡q‡Q| †h gv‡b ÔDËivwaKviÕ‡K Avgiv †cuŠQv‡Z †c‡iwQjvg, †m Zzjbvq GwUi cÖPvi I evRviRvZKiY h‡_ó wQj bv| mvaviYfv‡e mvwnZ¨ cwÎKv¸‡jv †hme RvqMvq mnRjf¨, †mLv‡b DËivwaKvi wewµ nq bv| GKv‡Wgxi weµq‡K‡›`ª †Zv me‡kªYxi cvVK †µZvi hvZvqvZ Kg| d‡j GiKg GKUv aviYv gvby‡li n‡q _vK‡Z cv‡i †h cwÎKvwU `yj©f| Avgvi Zvi‡Y¨ ÔmgKvjÕ cwÎKvUv †hiKg cvVK m„wó Ki‡Z †c‡iwQj, Avgiv D`MÖxe n‡q A‡cÿv KiZvg KLb K‡e cwÎKvwUi PjwZ msL¨v †ei n‡e, KLb msMÖn K‡i co‡evÑ †gvU K_v, cwÎKvwUi w`‡K Avgiv ZvwK‡q _vKZvg| GiKg †Kv‡bv †µR, DËivwaKvi gvbm¤úbœ cwÎKv n‡qI, ˆZwi Ki‡Z cv‡iwbÑ Avwg ej‡ev A‡bKUvB evRviRvZKi‡Yi mxgve×Zvi Kvi‡Y|
cÖkœ : evsjv GKv‡Wgxi Agi GKz‡k MÖš’‡gjvi m‡½ Avcbvi m¤ú„w³ `xN©Kv‡ji| GB MÖš’‡gjvwU m¤ú‡K© wKQy ejyb|
DËi : Agi GKz‡k MÖš’‡gjvi eZ©gvb †Pnviv †`‡L Gi m~Pbvc‡e©i Ae¯’v wPš—v Kiv hv‡e| GLb G †gjv evOvwj, wek¦e¨vcx Qwo‡q cov evsjv fvlvfvlx‡`i cÖv‡Yi †gjv| G‡K ejv P‡j evOvwji ¯^vZš¿‡eva, Z¨vM I †MŠi‡ei ¯§viK| GK gvme¨vcx GB wekvj Kg©hÁ, gb‡bi DrKl© PP©vi aviv µgk G †`‡ki mvs¯‹…wZK HwZ‡n¨i gh©v`v cv‡”Q| Avwg GKz‡k MÖš’‡gjvi G‡Kev‡i Rb¥jMœ †_‡K RwoZ| Gici ax‡i ax‡i Gi AvKvi cwimi Ges cÖK…wZ cwiewZ©Z n‡Z †`‡LwQ| wb‡Ri mš—v‡bi g‡Zv GB †gjvUvi wkï Ae¯’v †_‡K eZ©gvb ch©š— †`‡L AvmwQ, GKvZ¥ n‡q KvR K‡iwQ| Zvi cwiYZ mg„w×i ch©v‡q PvKwii wbqg Abyhvqx `vwqZ¡ †_‡K we`vq wb‡qwQ| wKš‘ cÖv‡Yi UvbwU hvqwb| Av‡Rv Avwg GKz‡ki eB‡gjvi m‡½ wb‡R‡K Awfbœ fvwe, evievi Qy‡U hvB|
cÖkœ : eZ©gvb cÖR‡b¥i †jLK‡`i †jLv c‡ob?
DËi :
cÖkœ : Zv‡`i m¤ú‡K© A_ev Zv‡`i D‡Ï‡k¨ †Kv‡bv gš—e¨?
DËi : GLbKvi †ek wKQy Zi“Y †jLK Zv‡`i †jLvi Dc¯’vcb, kã Pqb, evK¨ web¨vm Ges wjUvivwi wUªU‡g‡›U †h bZzbZ¡ †hvM Ki‡Q, Zv LyeB D‡jøL‡hvM¨| Zviv GLb †`k BwZnvm-HwZn¨ m¤^‡Ü m‡PZb, m‡e©vcwi wek¦mvwn‡Z¨i m‡½ eZ©gvb cÖR‡b¥i cÖZ¨ÿ cwiPq NUvi d‡j Zv‡`i †jLvi †h ˆewPÎ¨ G‡m‡QÑ GUv Lye GKUv Avkvi jÿY| mvwnZ¨ PP©vq Avgvi DËi cÖR‡b¥i cÖwZ Avwg Avkvev`x|
A‡bK ab¨ev` Avcbv‡K|

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